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Some Questions about Secularism
Paolo Flores D'Arcais
(Translated from Italian by Noga Arikha)


 Moderators: Noga Arikha, Gloria Origgi
  Fundamentalist and theocratic Islam is commonly recognized as opposed to secularism and to the separation of political life from religion. Modern liberal democracies, on the other hand, are founded upon this separation. For a long time, the illusion prevailed that secularism was being assailed only from without the western world, and that the attacks on it, of which terrorism was but the extreme form, were in fact directed to western civilization as a whole. But Islam is no longer alone in defying the notion that politics should remain secular.

Pope Ratzinger has turned on its head the historical basis of secularism formulated by Grotius, according to which, within the political sphere, one should behave “etsi Deus non daretur”: Benedetto XVI believes that for a democracy to protect itself against nihilism, each citizen, however agnostic, sceptical, or atheist, must behave “sicuti Deus daretur”, and must thus ensure that the law should adhere to the precepts of “natural morality”, precepts that coincide with those given by the Roman Catholic Church.

In the United States, moreover, many reformed congregations - often recently established, but nonetheless growing rapidly and aggressively - advance the same principle as that put forward by the Pope: that what they consider to be a sin should be a legally punishable crime. The President of the United States himself declares that guidance for his political decisions comes to him through religious enlightenment, directly from Jesus.

One may wonder whether this subversion of the secular tradition, this repudiation of the “etsi Deus non daretur”, is not due to the very ambiguity and confusion with which the principle of secularism has been asserted, both in political and in cultural terms. In fact, France and Holland are the only two countries that have followed this principle coherently and rigorously. And even in those countries, its foundations are now being questioned.

In the United States - that is, in the world’s most powerful democracy - to hold on to secularism has never meant to keep God out of the public sphere or of political discourse. On the contrary. Politicians of all stripes have always claimed a relation to God. But there prevailed the illusory belief that the very multiplicity of competing and individualistic churches was a bulwark against confessional dogmatism, even as it fed a diffuse and pervasive religiosity that was also present in political argument. And yet, secularism consists in the strict neutrality of the State with regard to each citizen (regardless of creed - or of the absence of it), in all aspects of public life. How is it possible to maintain such a neutrality if political decisions include references to God? Such an inclusion, in fact, not only leads to the usual problems (and consequent antinomies): which God? who is the authorized interpreter? how can one resolve the conflict between various and incompatible notions of “God’s will”? Even if these problems were resolvable, there would remain the issue of discrimination against those who do not believe in God and who become second-class citizens.

And so it is perhaps not surprising that, once one accepts the presence of the God-argument within the public sphere, the encroachment of religious confessions upon worldly matters is no longer self-limited; instead there is a new wave of confessional moralisms and dogmatisms that profess to be the unbreakable rule erga omnes (with citizens as believers or non-believers), that is, State law. If one gives up the «etsi Deus non daretur», if the intrusion of “God’s will” in public argument becomes legitimate, then the notion that a God is against abortion can become an argument too, just as does the notion that a God is for polygamy, that a God demands genital mutilation of girls, or that a God forbids blood transfusions… Or indeed that a God imposes the stoning of female adulterers. By giving up the «etsi Deus non daretur» in the public sphere, the only alternative is a “sharia”, whether Christian or Islamist or Jewish or of any other religion. More or less soft, but, in principle, legitimate.

And so, the “French” coherence in forbidding the veil and religious symbols in schools and public spaces, rather than a form of secular extremism (or secular fundamentalism, as some have called it), may well be a justifiable call not to set one’s religious identity against citizens’ collective identity.

But objections against the strict, uncompromising notion of secularism do not only come from the clerical milieu and from the religious right. They are also coming from those who uphold a self-declaredly progressist multiculturalism. Yet how “progressist” is a multiculturalism invoked, in the name of one’s “belonging” to a tradition, to justify practices and beliefs detrimental to the shared dignity of individuals? Paraphrasing Marx, one might reiterate that “a culture can be free even where those who belong to it are not”. In the name of a culture’s freedom, one can negate the rights and freedom of the invididuals who “belong” to that culture. How can one call free a child educated in a madrassa, or in a fundamentalist “ghetto” in Jerusalem, or in self-referential Christian homeschooling?

Multiculturalism, in short, privileges the group’s hierarchy and conformity to its rules, rather than individual dissent. The notion of belonging it advances is the opposite of autonomy and critical outlook.

Moreover, condemnations by the Prophet’s faithful of cultural or journalistic endeavours con-sidered “offensive”, such as the film of Theo van Gogh or the cartoons in Denmark (and in the past, the christian Church, catholic and otherwise, behaved in a similar way when it branded works as “blasphemous”), gave rise to an understanding response on the part of many, including on the “left”, rather than to the assertion that all attempts to censorship should be radically condemned.

In the purely cultural sphere too the secular outlook is increasingly weak, defensive and even submissive. The assertion of the cognitive superiority of atheism is now viewed as redolent of nineteenth-century positivism. It almost seems as if it is now the atheist who has to prove his or her innocence before the accusation of dogmatism! Of course rationality cannot be reduced to the claims advanced by the experimental sciences. But whatever contradicts these claims or the propositions that one can logically extrapolate from them, cannot be taken to partake of rationality. Nor can be considered rational any hypothesis that fails before “Ockham’s razor”, in other words one that is a superfluous account of phenomena that have already been explained. Everyone is free to believe anything beyond and even against that which can be asserted rationally (science + logic), but not to claim that this faith is also reason. But the constantly renewed attempt, by people who partake of the most diverse philosophical trends, to “demonstrate” that values are inscribed in scientific facts or in “nature” (this in the face of modern philosophy’s greatest achievement, “Hume’s Law”, for which an “ought” can never be derived from an “is”), opens the road to an infinite number of substitutes to traditional religions. It does not encourage anti-metaphysical, secular thought, or lead to the recognition that, as the lords of norms (that do not exist in nature), we are absolutely responsible for the values we choose.

Is it not then necessary (even if not sufficient: the material problems of citizens remain) for a coherent and uncompromising secularism to effect a political and cultural counter-attack in response to the current crisis of our democracies?

Close Some conclusions by the moderators  
Gloria Origgi
Nov 20, 2007 13:17 UT

By Gloria Origgi and Noga Arikha

As moderators of this debate - and as philosophers - we would like to take the opportunity to add some concluding remarks to this lively discussion.

The debate has raised many interesting issues, neatly summarized in the last intervention posted by Marcel Gauchet. Some conclusions were reached, but many questions were posed that led to further ones.

So we suggest to sum up in the form of a list of open questions those main points made over the past few weeks that would require further discussion:

1. What is secularism, or laicity? Is it just a constraint against the use of state power to support a particular religious view, or is it a stronger position, which implies an active intervention of the state against the influence of religion on citizens?

2. What are the risks of a “strong” secularism, say à la française? Wouldn’t it imply defending citizens against religious identity of any sort in the name of a national or republican identity, itself a debatable concept? In France this is surely the case: the Panthéon, that is, the “sacred temple of laicism” as Saul Bellow once called it, is an instance of a state reinforcement of a cultural French identity that should matter more than any private or religious identity for the citizens. But is this an exportable model? Since the 1789 Revolution, and maybe earlier, France defends a universalistic model of culture, based on rational and egalitarian principles. But this is the French way, and it is debatable whether it should be exportable elsewhere. We’re sadly aware of the harm wrought by the reinforcement of national identities, not only in Europe…

3. Should we take into account the “core” question about what religious experience is? Is such an intimate experience relevant to the discussion about laicity in society?

4. Is the opposition between religious secularism - as derived from Enlightenment values – and absolutism always valid? Or should the analysis of religious absolutism take place alongside the analysis of the faith in other, secular but totalitarian systems, such as fascism, communism and so on? Is the discussion about the status of religion in society not actually about the struggle between liberalism and absolutism? Isn’t this the fulcrum of the political heat today? The discussion or defence of secularism in terms of an opposition to faith might well perpetuate the very cleavage that we are trying to resolve, as Mark Lilla has recently observed in his The Stillborn God: Religion, Politics, and the Modern West. How then do we kick-start the argument for secularism in a novel fashion, one that takes fully into account the many versions and expressions of faith – in a doctrine, a story, an ideology, a worldview, and so on - and the powerful need humans have for it?

5. An ideal solution for a free society that is tolerant of various religions would be to advocate a kind of “ecumenicism”, but isn’t it that monotheistic religions based on a textual corpus define themselves as the “true” religions against the others? Jan Assmann, in Le prix du monothéisme, has recently argued that monotheisms are “counter-religions”, that is, religions that define themselves through an opposition between true and false, rather than through other oppositions like pure and impure or sacred and profane. The names of the Gods were translatable from one culture into the other in ancient polytheisms; the name of God becomes untranslatable within the religion of Moses. One could wonder whether this intolerance with regard to other religions is an intrinsic, non-negotiable feature of certain religions, essential to their very identity.

6. To what extent should the State protect our children from “religious infection”? Should this protection consist in an educational curriculum that avoids teaching religion as a form of revealed truth and insists on empirical facts, as Dennett advocates, or should it stop inculcating religious “values” in children at all? Which “infection” do we want to avoid? A moral one, where children are “infected” with received notions about which actions are allowed and which ones aren’t, or an epistemic one, where they are told which facts they should believe as true about history? And is it possible to pry apart the normative and the factual dimension of religious teaching? To put it simply, in a Dennettian world, could a Roman Catholic family go on preaching against abortion and for pity and solidarity with the others while stopping telling stories about the Holy Trinity and the virginity of the Madonna?

7. Should we owe a special respect to religious beliefs? In his intervention entitled “Is religious freedom special?” Dan Sperber argues against the excessive respect for the susceptibility of the religious as a form of self-censorship. He says that we wouldn’t do the same with vegetarians, for instance. But wouldn’t we? Would it really be acceptable, as standard moral behaviour, to force vegetarian people to eat meat or not to take into account their different values? Most airline companies propose a vegetarian meal to their customers and in many restaurants it is now common to display a vegetarian dish on the menu. The needs of vegetarians are respected just as much as those of religious people, perhaps because in both cases their beliefs and values refer to a “salvation” of sorts, to a morally different world that, in some of its aspects, looks like a credible, moral alternative to ours. So we respect those beliefs that point to a possibly different moral world insofar as this world doesn’t harm the fundamental moral achievements of our actual world. Thus, we wouldn’t respect a religious belief that is based on the defence of violence against women, while it is easier to respect a value that pits itself against vulgarity. And so we ask, would it be acceptable as a moral attitude to respect those values - that believers ask us to respect even if we do not endorse them - which are compatible with a morally credible alternative to our actual world, just as the vegetarian alternative is?

If, as seems clear, the most desirable state of affairs in a society is one of reciprocal tolerance, then such a society must encourage the conversation about what is acceptable and what is unacceptable in the views of the world we do not endorse. One can be an atheist but able to empathize with a concern with abortion, say, or be religious while not accepting racist claims about essential differences among human beings. Strong secularism is defendable insofar as the secular are able to maintain a tolerant conversation with believers and that believers are able to maintain a tolerant conversation with atheists, on a moral common ground. But the very existence of such a conversation depends on the cultivation of political, cultural and indeed religious pluralism.

These, then, are some of the questions and comments inspired by the conversation you took part in. Thank you again for having joined us. The open questions we have proposed could perhaps be the starting point for a future debate, and we hope you would be willing in taking part again.

Gloria Origgi and Noga Arikha

  0 replies to Some conclusions by the moderators:
Open Last remarks and further questions (0 replies)
Paolo Flores D'Arcais, Nov 20, 2007 13:12 UT
Open Quelques remarques et observations en vrac (0 replies)
Marcel Gauchet, Nov 13, 2007 15:52 UT
Open The rights of children (1 reply)
Dan Sperber, Nov 6, 2007 17:51 UT
Open What do believers believe in? (1 reply)
Fernando Savater, Nov 3, 2007 20:39 UT
Open Really a different issue? (0 replies)
Roberta Monticelli, Oct 31, 2007 23:55 UT
Open Comments on the debate (0 replies)
Paolo Flores D'Arcais, Oct 31, 2007 15:05 UT
Open Is religious freedom special? (0 replies)
Dan Sperber, Oct 24, 2007 23:25 UT
Open The Party of Reason (3 replies)
Thomas Nagel, Oct 21, 2007 10:10 UT
Open On secularism (0 replies)
Fernando Savater, Oct 20, 2007 22:34 UT
Open God-talk and God-argument (0 replies)
Avishai Margalit, Oct 20, 2007 2:21 UT
Open What religion? (0 replies)
Roberta Monticelli, Oct 19, 2007 9:20 UT
Open Distinguer les questions (0 replies)
Marcel Gauchet, Oct 17, 2007 16:32 UT
Open Secularism and the Power of Conversation (0 replies)
Sam Harris, Oct 17, 2007 9:20 UT
Open But aren't we philosophers after all? Some new questions (0 replies)
Roberta Monticelli, Oct 14, 2007 10:29 UT
Open A mandatory curriculum on religious education (0 replies)
Daniel Dennett, Oct 13, 2007 10:25 UT
Open matters of fact (0 replies)
Dan Sperber, Oct 12, 2007 18:38 UT
Open Religious Nonalignment (0 replies)
Thomas Nagel, Oct 11, 2007 5:17 UT
 
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