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Some Questions about Secularism
Paolo Flores D'Arcais
(Translated from Italian by Noga Arikha)


 Moderators: Noga Arikha, Gloria Origgi
  Fundamentalist and theocratic Islam is commonly recognized as opposed to secularism and to the separation of political life from religion. Modern liberal democracies, on the other hand, are founded upon this separation. For a long time, the illusion prevailed that secularism was being assailed only from without the western world, and that the attacks on it, of which terrorism was but the extreme form, were in fact directed to western civilization as a whole. But Islam is no longer alone in defying the notion that politics should remain secular.

Pope Ratzinger has turned on its head the historical basis of secularism formulated by Grotius, according to which, within the political sphere, one should behave “etsi Deus non daretur”: Benedetto XVI believes that for a democracy to protect itself against nihilism, each citizen, however agnostic, sceptical, or atheist, must behave “sicuti Deus daretur”, and must thus ensure that the law should adhere to the precepts of “natural morality”, precepts that coincide with those given by the Roman Catholic Church.

In the United States, moreover, many reformed congregations - often recently established, but nonetheless growing rapidly and aggressively - advance the same principle as that put forward by the Pope: that what they consider to be a sin should be a legally punishable crime. The President of the United States himself declares that guidance for his political decisions comes to him through religious enlightenment, directly from Jesus.

One may wonder whether this subversion of the secular tradition, this repudiation of the “etsi Deus non daretur”, is not due to the very ambiguity and confusion with which the principle of secularism has been asserted, both in political and in cultural terms. In fact, France and Holland are the only two countries that have followed this principle coherently and rigorously. And even in those countries, its foundations are now being questioned.

In the United States - that is, in the world’s most powerful democracy - to hold on to secularism has never meant to keep God out of the public sphere or of political discourse. On the contrary. Politicians of all stripes have always claimed a relation to God. But there prevailed the illusory belief that the very multiplicity of competing and individualistic churches was a bulwark against confessional dogmatism, even as it fed a diffuse and pervasive religiosity that was also present in political argument. And yet, secularism consists in the strict neutrality of the State with regard to each citizen (regardless of creed - or of the absence of it), in all aspects of public life. How is it possible to maintain such a neutrality if political decisions include references to God? Such an inclusion, in fact, not only leads to the usual problems (and consequent antinomies): which God? who is the authorized interpreter? how can one resolve the conflict between various and incompatible notions of “God’s will”? Even if these problems were resolvable, there would remain the issue of discrimination against those who do not believe in God and who become second-class citizens.

And so it is perhaps not surprising that, once one accepts the presence of the God-argument within the public sphere, the encroachment of religious confessions upon worldly matters is no longer self-limited; instead there is a new wave of confessional moralisms and dogmatisms that profess to be the unbreakable rule erga omnes (with citizens as believers or non-believers), that is, State law. If one gives up the «etsi Deus non daretur», if the intrusion of “God’s will” in public argument becomes legitimate, then the notion that a God is against abortion can become an argument too, just as does the notion that a God is for polygamy, that a God demands genital mutilation of girls, or that a God forbids blood transfusions… Or indeed that a God imposes the stoning of female adulterers. By giving up the «etsi Deus non daretur» in the public sphere, the only alternative is a “sharia”, whether Christian or Islamist or Jewish or of any other religion. More or less soft, but, in principle, legitimate.

And so, the “French” coherence in forbidding the veil and religious symbols in schools and public spaces, rather than a form of secular extremism (or secular fundamentalism, as some have called it), may well be a justifiable call not to set one’s religious identity against citizens’ collective identity.

But objections against the strict, uncompromising notion of secularism do not only come from the clerical milieu and from the religious right. They are also coming from those who uphold a self-declaredly progressist multiculturalism. Yet how “progressist” is a multiculturalism invoked, in the name of one’s “belonging” to a tradition, to justify practices and beliefs detrimental to the shared dignity of individuals? Paraphrasing Marx, one might reiterate that “a culture can be free even where those who belong to it are not”. In the name of a culture’s freedom, one can negate the rights and freedom of the invididuals who “belong” to that culture. How can one call free a child educated in a madrassa, or in a fundamentalist “ghetto” in Jerusalem, or in self-referential Christian homeschooling?

Multiculturalism, in short, privileges the group’s hierarchy and conformity to its rules, rather than individual dissent. The notion of belonging it advances is the opposite of autonomy and critical outlook.

Moreover, condemnations by the Prophet’s faithful of cultural or journalistic endeavours con-sidered “offensive”, such as the film of Theo van Gogh or the cartoons in Denmark (and in the past, the christian Church, catholic and otherwise, behaved in a similar way when it branded works as “blasphemous”), gave rise to an understanding response on the part of many, including on the “left”, rather than to the assertion that all attempts to censorship should be radically condemned.

In the purely cultural sphere too the secular outlook is increasingly weak, defensive and even submissive. The assertion of the cognitive superiority of atheism is now viewed as redolent of nineteenth-century positivism. It almost seems as if it is now the atheist who has to prove his or her innocence before the accusation of dogmatism! Of course rationality cannot be reduced to the claims advanced by the experimental sciences. But whatever contradicts these claims or the propositions that one can logically extrapolate from them, cannot be taken to partake of rationality. Nor can be considered rational any hypothesis that fails before “Ockham’s razor”, in other words one that is a superfluous account of phenomena that have already been explained. Everyone is free to believe anything beyond and even against that which can be asserted rationally (science + logic), but not to claim that this faith is also reason. But the constantly renewed attempt, by people who partake of the most diverse philosophical trends, to “demonstrate” that values are inscribed in scientific facts or in “nature” (this in the face of modern philosophy’s greatest achievement, “Hume’s Law”, for which an “ought” can never be derived from an “is”), opens the road to an infinite number of substitutes to traditional religions. It does not encourage anti-metaphysical, secular thought, or lead to the recognition that, as the lords of norms (that do not exist in nature), we are absolutely responsible for the values we choose.

Is it not then necessary (even if not sufficient: the material problems of citizens remain) for a coherent and uncompromising secularism to effect a political and cultural counter-attack in response to the current crisis of our democracies?

Open Some conclusions by the moderators (0 replies)
Gloria Origgi, Nov 20, 2007 13:17 UT
Open Last remarks and further questions (0 replies)
Paolo Flores D'Arcais, Nov 20, 2007 13:12 UT
Open Quelques remarques et observations en vrac (0 replies)
Marcel Gauchet, Nov 13, 2007 15:52 UT
Close The rights of children  
Dan Sperber
Nov 6, 2007 17:51 UT

When Daniel Dennett wrote: “As long as parents don’t teach their children anything that is likely to close their minds -- through fear or hatred or by disabling them from inquiry (by denying them an education, for instance, or keeping them entirely isolated from the world) then they may teach their children whatever religious doctrines they like,” he must have done so tongue in cheek for he well knows that, with few exceptions—one of them being the kind of religiosity (rather than religion proper) that Roberta Monticelli is evoking in this debate—, religions prohibit layperson and in particular children accessing texts or participating in meetings that are seen as sinful, blasphemous, or in one way or another abominable.

Dennett’s “modest proposal” of “a mandatory curriculum on world religion” is exactly something that most denominations would never accept, and, in proposing it, his goal must be demonstrative rather than genuinely practical. Thinking of the very feasibility of his proposal reminds the reader that the most obdurate opponents of any given religion are defenders of other religions, and that the current alliance of religious authorities in democratic countries in defence of an inflated view of religious freedom is a tactical convergence faute de mieux. In almost all historical circumstances where instituted religions had a chance to work at eliminating or at least curtailing the freedom of other religions, they have relentlessly done so (exceptions are provided by cults that do not claim to be the whole of religion and that therefore can co-exist in a kind of market competition as in Ancient Rome or today’s Japan).

Which take us to the fundamental issue raised by Thomas Nagel, that of the “protection of individual freedom [of] children inside the family.” I would like to look at the issue from a point of view that denies that there is some special religious freedom over and above that which religions enjoy in the name of freedom of thought, of expression, of assembly, and of association.

A clear distinction must be made here between issues of morality and issues of rights. As Dawkins likes to point out, if Marxist or monetarist parents talked about their children as Marxist or monetarist children, we would find this abusive, yet even secularists talk about Jewish, Catholic and Muslim children. Dawkins suggest that we equally object, and I agree, in particular because these categorisations go together with a form of education that aims at making them retroactively appropriate. The objection however seems to me to be more a matter of ethics than a matter of rights. Moreover, the believers’ mistake that has morally objectionable consequences is itself not moral but cognitive. They typically believe that it is their moral duty to impose as soon as possible their religious views on their children so as to ensure their salvation, while it is easier for Marxist and even more so monetarist parents to show greater respect for their children's freedom of opinion since they do not see their own beliefs as providing individual salvation.

With the kind of family structures found in our societies (which of course could themselves be reconsidered, but this is another issue), the degree of long-term involvement and responsibility of parents with each of their children is on the whole much greater than that of schools, social services, and other public agencies. Leaving to parents a very wide range of decisions regarding the upbringing of their children may not be wonderful but it is a least evil. Parents often err in prudential, educational, moral, or aesthetic matters, but except in very clear cases of abuse, individual and institutions external to the family cannot be counted on to exert better judgement and even less to provide children with the benefits of this better judgement. Parents who inculcate their children with silly, immoral, offensive, or stultifying views are to be blamed, but not punished or coerced to do better. From this follows that religious upbringing in the family should be tolerated, even if, in many ways, in particular because of its insistence on moulding children from an early age, it is a particularly objectionable form of abuse.

On the other hand, it is generally agreed, rightly so, I believe, that it is a matter of rights that all children be taught a common curriculum by teachers whose competence is publicly ascertained, whether or not the parents agree with the content of this curriculum or with methods of ascertainment. When sending their children to school, parents relinquish some of their responsibility and authority to the school not only in educational matter, but also in matters of behaviour, dress code, and so on. Everybody would agree that parents who keep a nudist home cannot demand that their children be nude at school, that children should not be allowed to advertise whatever opinion they or their parents hold dear on their t-shirts (“Heil Hitler!” for instance), and that they should abide by common rules that should be decided for the common good. Of course, school regulations are open to discussion. Effort to accommodate special preferences should be considered, but preferences do not give rights. In these discussions, parents have a say both as citizen and as directly interested parties and people can defend whatever views they hold. However, the fact that these views are religious ones should not give them any special weight.

So to go back to the well-publicised issue of the wearing of ostensible religious symbol in French public school, it is quite possible to disagree regarding the decision to ban them which was finally made. It is possible to be unimpressed with the fact that this decision has basically solved what had become a major social problem without creating widespread and lasting resentment among the groups concerned, Muslims in particular. On the other hand, I find it hard to disagree with the decision on principle, as if it were simply a matter of freedom of expression, unless one would defend also the right of members of all opinion groups, whether religious or not, to advertise their membership by wearing as they see fit a sartorial symbol of it, for instance a swastika or confederate flag). Some might object to my examples and say: let’s ban symbols that are associated with the idea that one group is superior to others and might be entitled to special rights or even worse to rights over other groups, but then many religious groups are quite explicit in arguing exactly this about themselves. Should symbols of belonging to such religious groups be banned? Or, should they be accepted because they are religious? We are back to the fundamental question I raised in an earlier intervention: Should we think of religious freedom as deserving special protection or rights? I believe not and have not seen any non-question-begging argument that goes the other way.

  1 reply to The rights of children:
    Open Reply to Dan
Daniel Dennett, Nov 15, 2007 22:30 UT
Open What do believers believe in? (1 reply)
Fernando Savater, Nov 3, 2007 20:39 UT
Open Really a different issue? (0 replies)
Roberta Monticelli, Oct 31, 2007 23:55 UT
Open Comments on the debate (0 replies)
Paolo Flores D'Arcais, Oct 31, 2007 15:05 UT
Open Is religious freedom special? (0 replies)
Dan Sperber, Oct 24, 2007 23:25 UT
Open The Party of Reason (3 replies)
Thomas Nagel, Oct 21, 2007 10:10 UT
Open On secularism (0 replies)
Fernando Savater, Oct 20, 2007 22:34 UT
Open God-talk and God-argument (0 replies)
Avishai Margalit, Oct 20, 2007 2:21 UT
Open What religion? (0 replies)
Roberta Monticelli, Oct 19, 2007 9:20 UT
Open Distinguer les questions (0 replies)
Marcel Gauchet, Oct 17, 2007 16:32 UT
Open Secularism and the Power of Conversation (0 replies)
Sam Harris, Oct 17, 2007 9:20 UT
Open But aren't we philosophers after all? Some new questions (0 replies)
Roberta Monticelli, Oct 14, 2007 10:29 UT
Open A mandatory curriculum on religious education (0 replies)
Daniel Dennett, Oct 13, 2007 10:25 UT
Open matters of fact (0 replies)
Dan Sperber, Oct 12, 2007 18:38 UT
Open Religious Nonalignment (0 replies)
Thomas Nagel, Oct 11, 2007 5:17 UT
 
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