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Some Questions about Secularism
Paolo Flores D'Arcais
(Translated from Italian by Noga Arikha)


 Moderators: Noga Arikha, Gloria Origgi
  Fundamentalist and theocratic Islam is commonly recognized as opposed to secularism and to the separation of political life from religion. Modern liberal democracies, on the other hand, are founded upon this separation. For a long time, the illusion prevailed that secularism was being assailed only from without the western world, and that the attacks on it, of which terrorism was but the extreme form, were in fact directed to western civilization as a whole. But Islam is no longer alone in defying the notion that politics should remain secular.

Pope Ratzinger has turned on its head the historical basis of secularism formulated by Grotius, according to which, within the political sphere, one should behave “etsi Deus non daretur”: Benedetto XVI believes that for a democracy to protect itself against nihilism, each citizen, however agnostic, sceptical, or atheist, must behave “sicuti Deus daretur”, and must thus ensure that the law should adhere to the precepts of “natural morality”, precepts that coincide with those given by the Roman Catholic Church.

In the United States, moreover, many reformed congregations - often recently established, but nonetheless growing rapidly and aggressively - advance the same principle as that put forward by the Pope: that what they consider to be a sin should be a legally punishable crime. The President of the United States himself declares that guidance for his political decisions comes to him through religious enlightenment, directly from Jesus.

One may wonder whether this subversion of the secular tradition, this repudiation of the “etsi Deus non daretur”, is not due to the very ambiguity and confusion with which the principle of secularism has been asserted, both in political and in cultural terms. In fact, France and Holland are the only two countries that have followed this principle coherently and rigorously. And even in those countries, its foundations are now being questioned.

In the United States - that is, in the world’s most powerful democracy - to hold on to secularism has never meant to keep God out of the public sphere or of political discourse. On the contrary. Politicians of all stripes have always claimed a relation to God. But there prevailed the illusory belief that the very multiplicity of competing and individualistic churches was a bulwark against confessional dogmatism, even as it fed a diffuse and pervasive religiosity that was also present in political argument. And yet, secularism consists in the strict neutrality of the State with regard to each citizen (regardless of creed - or of the absence of it), in all aspects of public life. How is it possible to maintain such a neutrality if political decisions include references to God? Such an inclusion, in fact, not only leads to the usual problems (and consequent antinomies): which God? who is the authorized interpreter? how can one resolve the conflict between various and incompatible notions of “God’s will”? Even if these problems were resolvable, there would remain the issue of discrimination against those who do not believe in God and who become second-class citizens.

And so it is perhaps not surprising that, once one accepts the presence of the God-argument within the public sphere, the encroachment of religious confessions upon worldly matters is no longer self-limited; instead there is a new wave of confessional moralisms and dogmatisms that profess to be the unbreakable rule erga omnes (with citizens as believers or non-believers), that is, State law. If one gives up the «etsi Deus non daretur», if the intrusion of “God’s will” in public argument becomes legitimate, then the notion that a God is against abortion can become an argument too, just as does the notion that a God is for polygamy, that a God demands genital mutilation of girls, or that a God forbids blood transfusions… Or indeed that a God imposes the stoning of female adulterers. By giving up the «etsi Deus non daretur» in the public sphere, the only alternative is a “sharia”, whether Christian or Islamist or Jewish or of any other religion. More or less soft, but, in principle, legitimate.

And so, the “French” coherence in forbidding the veil and religious symbols in schools and public spaces, rather than a form of secular extremism (or secular fundamentalism, as some have called it), may well be a justifiable call not to set one’s religious identity against citizens’ collective identity.

But objections against the strict, uncompromising notion of secularism do not only come from the clerical milieu and from the religious right. They are also coming from those who uphold a self-declaredly progressist multiculturalism. Yet how “progressist” is a multiculturalism invoked, in the name of one’s “belonging” to a tradition, to justify practices and beliefs detrimental to the shared dignity of individuals? Paraphrasing Marx, one might reiterate that “a culture can be free even where those who belong to it are not”. In the name of a culture’s freedom, one can negate the rights and freedom of the invididuals who “belong” to that culture. How can one call free a child educated in a madrassa, or in a fundamentalist “ghetto” in Jerusalem, or in self-referential Christian homeschooling?

Multiculturalism, in short, privileges the group’s hierarchy and conformity to its rules, rather than individual dissent. The notion of belonging it advances is the opposite of autonomy and critical outlook.

Moreover, condemnations by the Prophet’s faithful of cultural or journalistic endeavours con-sidered “offensive”, such as the film of Theo van Gogh or the cartoons in Denmark (and in the past, the christian Church, catholic and otherwise, behaved in a similar way when it branded works as “blasphemous”), gave rise to an understanding response on the part of many, including on the “left”, rather than to the assertion that all attempts to censorship should be radically condemned.

In the purely cultural sphere too the secular outlook is increasingly weak, defensive and even submissive. The assertion of the cognitive superiority of atheism is now viewed as redolent of nineteenth-century positivism. It almost seems as if it is now the atheist who has to prove his or her innocence before the accusation of dogmatism! Of course rationality cannot be reduced to the claims advanced by the experimental sciences. But whatever contradicts these claims or the propositions that one can logically extrapolate from them, cannot be taken to partake of rationality. Nor can be considered rational any hypothesis that fails before “Ockham’s razor”, in other words one that is a superfluous account of phenomena that have already been explained. Everyone is free to believe anything beyond and even against that which can be asserted rationally (science + logic), but not to claim that this faith is also reason. But the constantly renewed attempt, by people who partake of the most diverse philosophical trends, to “demonstrate” that values are inscribed in scientific facts or in “nature” (this in the face of modern philosophy’s greatest achievement, “Hume’s Law”, for which an “ought” can never be derived from an “is”), opens the road to an infinite number of substitutes to traditional religions. It does not encourage anti-metaphysical, secular thought, or lead to the recognition that, as the lords of norms (that do not exist in nature), we are absolutely responsible for the values we choose.

Is it not then necessary (even if not sufficient: the material problems of citizens remain) for a coherent and uncompromising secularism to effect a political and cultural counter-attack in response to the current crisis of our democracies?

Open Some conclusions by the moderators (0 replies)
Gloria Origgi, Nov 20, 2007 13:17 UT
Open Last remarks and further questions (0 replies)
Paolo Flores D'Arcais, Nov 20, 2007 13:12 UT
Open Quelques remarques et observations en vrac (0 replies)
Marcel Gauchet, Nov 13, 2007 15:52 UT
Open The rights of children (1 reply)
Dan Sperber, Nov 6, 2007 17:51 UT
Open What do believers believe in? (1 reply)
Fernando Savater, Nov 3, 2007 20:39 UT
Open Really a different issue? (0 replies)
Roberta Monticelli, Oct 31, 2007 23:55 UT
Open Comments on the debate (0 replies)
Paolo Flores D'Arcais, Oct 31, 2007 15:05 UT
Open Is religious freedom special? (0 replies)
Dan Sperber, Oct 24, 2007 23:25 UT
Close The Party of Reason  
Thomas Nagel
Oct 21, 2007 10:10 UT

I may be wrong, but my guess is that all participants in this discussion are atheists – a rather comic situation, as Roberta di Monticelli suggests. But some of us are more dismissive of religious belief as such than others. I myself think that theism is no less reasonable than atheism, even though I have never been tempted by the former. I am talking about theism as a belief about what exists, not as a domain of evaluative ideals of the kind that Fernando Savater, citing Santayana, says religion should retreat to. The belief in God is widespread; it takes many different forms, and is the subject of strong disagreements. For many people, a belief about their relation to God is an important part of their lives. The question is how this should enter into our collective life.

Europe and its heirs managed to emerge from the wars of religion with a tradition of avoiding the worst kind of political conflict over religion. There isn’t one best way to do this, but, to answer Dan Dennett, the main reason to avoid the struggle is simple: given three choices – (1) avoid the fight; (2) fight and win; (3) fight and lose – (2) is only slightly better than (1), and (3) is much worse than both of them. This is still true, even though the stakes for us are not what they were in the sixteenth century. Dennett’s proposal for a mandatory national curriculum on religious education seems to me precisely the kind of escalation to avoid. On the other hand I’d favor much more freedom to teach and argue about religion in public schools than is now customary. (In the U.S. there are special constitutional obstacles.)

Different societies make different accommodations. To answer Dan Sperber’s question, the tax breaks for religious institutions in the U.S., notably the tax deductibility of contributions to them, are part of a general regime of allowing individuals to benefit their favorite charities at the expense of the government. The main injustice of this is that the rich, who are in higher tax brackets, get much bigger deductions than those with less, an inequality that benefits museums, opera houses, and universities rather than churches. But including religious institutions in the broader system of subsidizing private philanthropy through the tax system makes sense as a political bargain, given the importance of private giving rather than state support for lots of things in the U.S. It’s another case where decentralization has its advantages in a highly pluralistic society.

Dennett, Flores d’Arcais, and Sam Harris, as I understand them, believe we should form a party of reason to capture the high ground of our common culture. I agree with Marcel Gauchet that this has nothing to do with the problems posed by Muslim fundamentalism. As he says, the renewal of conflicts over religion in the West is certainly connected with science and its imperial claims; the connection with the collapse of Marxism is more specific to Europe. But I believe that there is a great deal of intellectual space beyond scientism and Marxism, and that in our debates over the alternatives it is a mistake to identify the defense of reason with the resistance to religion. There is a lot we don’t know about reality, and theism should be acknowledged by atheists as an honorable position.

  3 replies to The Party of Reason:
    Close Reply to Tom Nagel
Sam Harris
Oct 30, 2007 4:00 UT

Nagel seems to be thinking about these things from back to front: Most religious people do not acquire their religion by first assessing the prior probability that there is a Creator, shorn of all denominational attributes, and only then go shopping for a specific creed complete with provincial miracles. Rather, they generally acquire specific, denominational beliefs from mom and dad — nearly every one of which will be in conflict with scientific rationality — and only then, sometimes, will they later refine their notions about God into something more ecumenical, abstract, and (dare I say) Nagelian. They almost never get all the way to where Nagel is starting, of course. In fact, when you scratch the surface on most people who talk about God in the abstract, and perhaps about the tuning of Nature's constants, you generally find that they also believe that Jesus was his Son, rose bodily from the grave, etc. Francis Collins can be considered exhibit A in this respect. In any case, there is no need to invoke Hume or probability theory. I have absolutely no problem imagining a circumstance in which I could be convinced that a miracle had occurred. In fact, I have a 30-digit number in my desk drawer at this moment. If God tells Nagel what it is, I’ll recant my atheism. (Hint to God: it’s even, and it’s not: 556892134700265875112305648978)

    Open Reply to Sam Harris
Thomas Nagel, Oct 28, 2007 22:41 UT
    Open Reply to Tom Nagel
Sam Harris, Oct 26, 2007 3:04 UT
Open On secularism (0 replies)
Fernando Savater, Oct 20, 2007 22:34 UT
Open God-talk and God-argument (0 replies)
Avishai Margalit, Oct 20, 2007 2:21 UT
Open What religion? (0 replies)
Roberta Monticelli, Oct 19, 2007 9:20 UT
Open Distinguer les questions (0 replies)
Marcel Gauchet, Oct 17, 2007 16:32 UT
Open Secularism and the Power of Conversation (0 replies)
Sam Harris, Oct 17, 2007 9:20 UT
Open But aren't we philosophers after all? Some new questions (0 replies)
Roberta Monticelli, Oct 14, 2007 10:29 UT
Open A mandatory curriculum on religious education (0 replies)
Daniel Dennett, Oct 13, 2007 10:25 UT
Open matters of fact (0 replies)
Dan Sperber, Oct 12, 2007 18:38 UT
Open Religious Nonalignment (0 replies)
Thomas Nagel, Oct 11, 2007 5:17 UT
 
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