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Poursuivre les objets, Poursuivre les agents
Nicolas Bullot, Patrick Rysiew
(Traduction de l'original en anglais de Nicolas Bullot)


 Modérateurs : gloria origgi, Roberto Casati
 

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Abstract

En admettant une ontologie réaliste du monde des objets physiques et une épistémologie de la connaissance singulière dépendante des objets, nous comparons la poursuite (‘tracking’) des objets dépourvus d’états mentaux avec la poursuite des agents intentionnels. Pour étudier la poursuite située des agents, nous défendons ‘l’approche de la dépendance à l’égard de l’objet’ qui affirme que, dans le cas le plus rudimentaire, les humains poursuivent les agents intentionnels en poursuivant leur corps. Toutefois, nous soutenons que la poursuite des agents intentionnels comme agents intentionnels requière des capacités spécifiques pour détecter et comprendre le mouvement biologique et les états intentionnels.

Ouvrir A few remarks (2 réponses)
David NICOLAS, 29 mars 2005 17:16 UT
Fermer Agent Tracking- a too simplistic account?  
Nivedita Gangopadhyay
24 mars 2005 9:34 UT

While agreeing with the general idea expounded in this paper, I think agent tracking as it has been described here could be a slightly too simplistic account. When one is tracking an agent one of the vital question concerns the task at hand- “What” is it that is being tracked. It is not sufficient to say that the entity being tracked is an intentional agent. Intentional agents, whether human or non-human, could be tracked merely as an agent performing a particular task or they could be tracked as “persons” i.e. as being endowed with a unique personality. For example suppose a person is viewing a game of soccer in a stadium. From where the viewer is it is not possible to distinguish the players as “persons” i.e. as some unique individual and suppose the viewer is not so familiar with the names, features etc. of the players. Under such circumstance the viewer can certainly follow the game, without tracking the players as “persons”, by merely tracking them as intentional agents who are performing certain actions with a ball. Such tracking of intentional agents is nearly similar to the tracking of mere physical objects. Hence in this case the “agent file” functions in more or less the same way as an “object file”. This supports the object-dependent view. But intentional agents can also be tracked as “persons” and here the task would be cognitively more demanding and not the same as the tracking of agents as merely performing some actions. For example- two very close child-hood friends accidentally meet after a gap of many years during which they had no contact what-so-ever with each other. Both of them have now grown up and it is highly possible that their bodies, including their faces, have undergone significant changes. Yet is it absolutely impossible to imagine that they can still recognize each other? In such cases the criteria for uniqueness and identity seem to include something more than just the physical object-dependent identity. There seems to be something stored in the "agent file" that indicates the uniqueness of the "person" despite physical appearances. Also in cases of Multiple Personality Disorder it is not possible to track the different “persons” or personalities by tracking the physical body. Hence it seems that “agent file” could consist of two distinct components- a) “body file”- agent as body performing some action and b) “person file”- agent as person performing some action. “Body file” is closely similar and in certain cases even completely reducible to “object file” whereas “person file” constitutes a distinct mechanism that helps us track intentional agents as persons. Experiments such as the one performed by Simons and Levin indicate that “agent file” could indeed be comprised of two such distinct components as in such cases the subject tracked the speaker simply as a human shape (“body file”) performing some action. Had she tracked the human shape as a “person” (“person file”) she would have immediately noticed the change.

  2 réponses à Agent Tracking- a too simplistic account?:
    Ouvrir Biometrics and the object-dependence view
Maria Rossi, 10 avr. 2005 21:48 UT
    Fermer Reply to Nivedita Gangopadhyay
Maria Rossi
10 avr. 2005 21:40 UT

Thank you very much, Nivedita, for this comment and for introducing these interesting examples. I will reply on the basis of my own understanding of the logic of the object-dependence view. Your position seems to be the following: (A) you agree that the object-dependence view accounts for basic perceptual-motor interactions (e.g. watching individuals/agents playing sport, navigating in a crowd etc.), however (B) the object-dependence view cannot account for more ‘complex’ inter-PERSONal interactions in which “the criteria for uniqueness and identity include something more than just the physical object-dependent identity”.

I do not consider that (B) is an objection for our analysis because you have introduced additional puzzles about the identity conditions of ‘persons’ and our object-dependent view relates primarily to agents instead of person (cf. the end of the paper and the distinction of the object-dependence view with the deflationist view about agent tracking). We are in agreement to state that identity conditions of ‘persons’ might differ from identity conditions of ‘(bodily and embodied) agents’ – and that the metaphysics of ‘personhood’ is a debatable topic. In addition, although it is outside the direct scope of the paper, I find it plausible to consider that ‘personhood’ may be dependent on cultural and social phenomena in a way that would make it dependent not only on bodily or psychological internal continuity but also on emotional and social relations.

Let me consider your first example, the old-friend recognition case. Even though alternative metaphysical options remain possible, the case can be treated as being a standard case of re-identification. Although the two bodies have changed, each is the SAME body according to the framework of the object-dependence view for (1a) it follows the standard organizations rules of biological organisms and their historical transformations (1b) you assume that the two persons are unique namely because although their organism has changed as a function of time, each continuously changing organism has followed a unique and traceable spatio-temporal path during its own history. Moreover most of the social or technological evidence you can use to judge that this agent is the same agent as the person you knew by acquaintance long before may rely on the anchoring provided by the object-dependence view (cf. for instance my note below on biometrics). Please consider your ID card and the ID cards with fingerprints and the causal/historical theories of proper names (Kripke, Donnellan, Perry etc): proper names may originate in something like the ‘baptism’ of a physical object/agent which is the starting point of a social mechanism of automatic tracking of a single and continuing physical object via the proper name and the ID card with the proper name written on it.

Finally, I like the idea you mentioned with respect to the result of Simon and Levin. One should account for these cases in terms of a tracking dynamics based on alternating between using different object, agent and person files. This would account for the incremental characteristics of perceptual identification. It remains highly speculative.

 
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